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Re: Koranen


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Why do the babies starve
When there's enough food to feed the world
Why when there're so many of us
Are there people still alone
Why are the missiles called peace keepers
When they're aimed to Kill
Why is a woman still not safe
When she's in her home

Love is Hate
War is Peace
No is Yes
And we're all free

But somebody's gonna have to answer
The time is coming soon
Admidst all these questions and contradictions
There're some who seek the truth

Tell me Why do the babies starve
When there's enough food to feed the world
Why when there're so many of us
Are there people still alone

Why are the missiles called peace keepers
When they're aimed to kill
Why is a woman still not safe
When she's in her home

Love is Hate
War is Peace
No is Yes
And we're all free

But somebody's gonna have to answer
The time is coming soon
When the blind remove their blinders
And the speechless speak the truth


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När blev vaken en plattform för häxjakt?

Jag efterlyser en diskussion baserad på likheter och inte på skillnad: Sluta se efter brister i andras resonemang så kanske vi kan komma någon vart. Vi har ju olika perspektiv.

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Vad Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho) sagt, han förstod trots allt vissa elementära saker..

"Mohammed was an absolutely illiterate man, and the Koran, in which his sayings are collected, is ninety-nine percent rubbish. You can just open the book anywhere and read it, and you will be convinced of what I am saying. I am not saying on a certain page — anywhere. You just open the book accidentally, read the page and you will be convinced of what I am saying.

Whatsoever one percent truth there is here and there in the Koran is not Mohammed's. It is just ordinary, ancient wisdom that uneducated people collect easily — more easily than the educated people, because educated people have far better sources of information — books, libraries, universities, scholars. The uneducated, simply by hearing the old people, collect a few words of wisdom here and there. And those words are significant, because for thousands of years they have been tested and found somehow true. So it is the wisdom of the ages that is scattered here and there; otherwise, it is the most ordinary book possible in the world.

Muslims have been asking me, "Why don't you speak on the Koran? You have spoken on The Bible, on the Gita, this and that." I could not say to them that it is all rubbish; I simply went on postponing. Even just before I went into silence, a Muslim scholar sent the latest English version of the Koran, praying me to speak on it. But now I have to say that it is all rubbish, that is why I have not spoken on it — because why unnecessarily waste time?"

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Porrfilm innehöll al-Qaida-dokument

Den tyska polisen blev förvånad när man under ett förhör
med en 22-årig man hittade ett USB-minne med två porrfilmer
i hans kalsonger. Porrfilmerna visade sig dock i själva
verket innehålla över 100 al-Qaida dokument.


Den 16 maj förra året förhördes den 22-årige Maqsood Lodin
av tysk polis i Berlin efter att nyligen ha återvänt från
Pakistan, skriver CNN. Under förhöret upptäckte man att
Lodin hade gömt ett USB-minne och ett antal minneskort i
sina kalsonger.

Krypterade terrordokument
På dem hittade polisens tekniker en porrfilm märkt med
namnet "Kick Ass" samt ytterligare en fil kallad "Sexy
Tanja".

Efter flera veckors mödosamt arbete lyckades teknikerna
dekryptera filerna.

Man upptäckte då att de i själva verket innhehöll över
100 al-Qaida-dokument, vilka i detalj beskriver avancerade
planer på framtida terrorattacker.

Enligt dokumenten hade al-Qaida framskridna planer på att
kapa ett antal kryssningsfartyg. Kaparna skulle därefter,
som en påminnelse om Guantanamo-fängelset, tvinga
passagerarna att ikläda sig orangea overaller för att
därefter avrätta dem en efter en.

Planerade massaker
Al-Qaida planerade dessutom att genomföra attacker liknande
den som genomfördes i den indiska staden Mumbai i november
2008, där 164 människor mördades av tio pakistanska
terrorister under en tre dagar lång massaker.

Amerikanska säkerhetstskällor kallar dokumenten för "rent
guld", uppger CNN.

Masqood Lodin är nu åtalad för terrorbrott och kommer att
ställas inför rätta vid en domstol i Berlin.


http://svt.se/2.22584/1.2790546/porrf ... =puff_2790546&lpos=rubrik


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Vad har det med Koranen att göra?

Antagligen allt.

Posted on: 2012/5/2 11:22
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SVT och CNN, ja deras ord kan man
ju lita på för att de är SVT och CNN

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tomas skrev:
Vad Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho)
sagt, han förstod trots allt vissa elementära saker..
"Mohammed was an absolutely illiterate man, and the
Koran, in which his sayings are collected, is ninety-nine
percent rubbish....osv

Svar:
Du måste nog komma med något bättre, låt inte en annan människa
tänka för dig. Du har dina egna ögon, du kan se, du kan läsa. Kom inte hit
med en annan mans ord som om det varo dina.

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Abyssinia skrev:
tomas skrev:
Vad Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho)
sagt, han förstod trots allt vissa elementära saker..
"Mohammed was an absolutely illiterate man, and the
Koran, in which his sayings are collected, is ninety-nine
percent rubbish....osv

Svar:
Du måste nog komma med något bättre, låt inte en annan människa
tänka för dig. Du har dina egna ögon, du kan se, du kan läsa. Kom inte hit
med en annan mans ord som om det varo dina.


hehe... "annan mans ord..." - du är rolig.

Kan vi räkna Muhammeds ord som ord från en demon då kanske.

Men sanningen att säga så har Muhammed aldrig ens existerat.

____________

Game over.

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Vadå aldrig existerat? Det har funnits åtminstone tre!

Posted on: 2012/5/3 7:30
"Använd skallen, Nollan! Om inte vi kan se dom, hur fan skall dom kunna se oss???" (Knasen, 1967)
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Ord från en demon?
Koranen säger att du INTE ska ljuga, knarka, dricka, förföra kvinnor,
att du INTE ska begå brott, dölja, konspirera, att du INTE ska gå runt arrogant,
Istället Koranen säger dig att du ska döda ditt ego, ge till de fattiga, hjälpa de svaga,
slåss mot förtryck, att du ska förlåta, håll dig i frontlinjen av rättfärdighet,
Vet du vad det innebär, att vara rättfärdig?
Är dessa ord från en deomon?

Gud så okunniga dessa människor är, de talar vad de ej vet
Det ska komma en dag då varenda människa ska minna vad den har
har yttrat gällande mot Guds ord. Säkerligen grät du när du föddes in till
denna världen av våra. Definitiv, som otroende, kommer du gråta på vägen ut.
Tills den dagen varsågod kränk din själ! Du skadar ingen annan än dig själv.
Livet är inget spel, Livet är en test,….. Tragiskt att du inte ser….

Posted on: 2012/5/3 9:54

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Abyssinia skrev:
Ord från en demon?
Koranen säger att du INTE ska ljuga, knarka, dricka, förföra kvinnor,
att du INTE ska begå brott, dölja, konspirera, att du INTE ska gå runt arrogant,
Istället Koranen säger dig att du ska döda ditt ego, ge till de fattiga, hjälpa de svaga,
slåss mot förtryck, att du ska förlåta, håll dig i frontlinjen av rättfärdighet,
Vet du vad det innebär, att vara rättfärdig?
Är dessa ord från en deomon?

Gud så okunniga dessa människor är, de talar vad de ej vet
Det ska komma en dag då varenda människa ska minna vad den har
har yttrat gällande mot Guds ord. Säkerligen grät du när du föddes in till
denna världen av våra. Definitiv, som otroende, kommer du gråta på vägen ut.
Tills den dagen varsågod kränk din själ! Du skadar ingen annan än dig själv.
Livet är inget spel, Livet är en test,….. Tragiskt att du inte ser….


Givetvis kan det finnas "fina ord" etc i Koranen - hur skulle den annars kunnat ges vid spridning? Det är alltid så det fungerar med "uppläggen". Vet du inte att demonens sken är lika stort som...

Som Bhagwan är inne på, det räcker med att öppna Koranen så vet man att det är trash. Det är bara dåliga saker som poppar ut.

Fina ord, ofta sägs de vara från gud, någon ängel, ärkeängel, andlig mästare, någon i "högre" dimension, space commander... osv osv - de har fyllt upp bokaffärers hyllor med deras "fina ord", hela New Age, men det är just demoniskt.

Ramverken måste vara fina och ha med av "vishet", saker som appellerar till människors känslor och annat - då tar folk in det. Sovande kan kalla det "spirituellt", just för att det/de inte är andliga. Så det är då spirituellt... dvs "tala på ett kvickt och elegant sätt".

Sådana personer som går baklänges finns sedan länge på vaken.se, någon skapade visst en tråd nyss som var om "spirituell", det är bara trots mot sanning, det andliga.

Reinkarnation är en del av grunden, men inte hos det som är evil, likt islam. Muhammed har lika lite med verkligheten att göra som evolutionsteorin. Hade Muhamemd funnits då kan man lista ut vilken folkgrupp som skulle varit den "felande länken".


Djävulen framträder på Klippmoskén

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http://www.tidenstecken.se/omar.htm


Islamic Theologian’s Theory: It’s Likely the Prophet Muhammad Never Existed

MÜNSTER, Germany — Muhammad Sven Kalisch, a Muslim convert and Germany’s first professor of Islamic theology, fasts during the Muslim holy month, doesn’t like to shake hands with Muslim women and has spent years studying Islamic scripture. Islam, he says, guides his life.

So it came as something of a surprise when Prof. Kalisch announced the fruit of his theological research. His conclusion: The Prophet Muhammad probably never existed.

Muslims, not surprisingly, are outraged. Even Danish cartoonists who triggered global protests a couple of years ago didn’t portray the Prophet as fictional. German police, worried about a violent backlash, told the professor to move his religious-studies center to more-secure premises.

[...]


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I have known about this debate for many years, having briefly raised it in an article with quotes from Islam,

http://www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm, specifically as concerns the Russian scholar N.A. Morozov:

Quote:

...until the Crusades Islam was indistinguishable from Judaism and... only then did it receive its independent character, while Muhammad and the first Caliphs are mythical figures...

It would probably be helpful if Westerners stopped indulging the notion that Mohammed was a real historical figure. He was made up by the late 7th century caliphate to justify rule along blood lines. Western scholars are skeptical of his historicism. There is no contemporary evidence that he existed. There are no writings of Mohammed, no eyewitness accounts, no contemporary references to him or his actions by historians (of which there were many) inside or outside that part of the world. There are no coins, no artifacts, no buildings in his name, nothing. His case is based strictly on hearsay, forgeries, and absurd interpretations of authentic documents (e.g., the Jacobi Doctrine), and the Mohammed story contradicts many known facts about the region at the time. For example, there was no Mecca in the early 7th century. The first references to him occur about five decades after his supposed death. The oldest known Koran, the Sana'a, was written on palimpset, an erasable parchment. The parchment dates from the late 7th century. The calligraphic writings on it date around 710 ACE, and there are differences with the standard Koran. This is best explained by an ambitious caliphate collating Christian-influenced religious doctrines that had been in circulation, and solidifying it with a compelling story of a divine prophet, to whom they claimed relation.

I can't believe people believe that crap. Not only that, they bastardized the Hebrew version of the story. Hagar was not Abraham's wife, but his wife's (Sarah) slave/servant. That is only for starters, but whatever the case, they butchered the story, probably in an effort to not only legitimize Islam, but also slavery- thus "to submit". Apparently the only way to do that is to attempt to make the bastard son not a bastard is by bastardizing the original story.

I hate to say this, because I despise violence, but it maybe the only way to end the violence of Islam is to bomb Mecca to the ground.


Från: http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/v ... c.php?f=5&t=589&start=420
A Jew named Mohammed

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Jag kan posta mer senare om att Muhammed inte funnits, tex från Bernard Raquin, men börjar med det ovan. Void eller annan komaadmin kan få chansen att sin vana trogen banna mig (Novax), de skyr likt troll att bli avslöjade.

Min "trollometer" går konstant i taket när jag kollar bland posterna, det är Void som är inne med något av sina 49 usernamn. Här som "eyecreate" i en tråd om "Siffran 7":
http://vaken.se/modules/newbb/viewtop ... id=186200#forumpost186200

Så 7x7 är antalet usernamn han har i drift, men han har skapat mångdubbelt fler.




Posted on: 2012/5/3 14:07
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Jag är ju inte kristen, men detta tyckte jag var lite läsvärt. En "bättre "demonisk kraft" tog befälet...:

När demonen fick lämna bussen

Människor som är intagna av demoner är mer påtagligt i muslimska länder än i västvärlden. Friday Fax berättade 2005-04-13 om ett påtagligt befrielseunder som utspelade sig på en offentlig buss.

När demonen lämnade bussen så blev det lite för mycket för en del resande – bleka och chockade stirrade de på en ung man som just hade blivit befriad från en demon.

Fru FW, en egyptisk evangelist, reste med buss och noterade en medpassagerare som gav ifrån sig underliga ljud, rullade med ögonen och då och då förvreds i sätet. De andra passagerarna tittade bara bort, tills FW blev övervunnen med en “helig vrede”. Hon vände sig till mannen och sa högt: “I Jesu namn, lämna honom! Och lämna bussen!”

Till allas förvåning, mannen grymtade lite grann och skälvde till, sedan tittade han sig omkring med klara ögon och sa: “Hej! Han är borta! Jag kan känna det! Vad än du gjorde med mig, tack ska du ha!”

Han skrattade och var helt klart mycket tillfredsställd. Demonen hade lämnat honom, och uppenbart även bussen – ingen annan var synbarligen påverkad. FW stannade i bussen längre än hon hade planerat, och berättade om evangeliet och befrielsen i Kristus, därför att den unge mannen och ett antal av de andra chockade passagerarna hade många frågor. Och detta trots att det är ovanligt för en kvinna att tala till män i Egypten, och särskilt i en fullsatt buss.

Source: Andrea Xandry, Ziel 19, Schweizerische Missionsgemeinde, Josefstrasse 206, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland.

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tomas skrev:
Givetvis kan det finnas "fina ord" etc i Koranen - hur skulle
den annars kunnat ges vid spridning? … osv.. Som Bhagwan är inne på,
det räcker med att öppna Koranen så vet man att det är trash. Det är
bara dåliga saker som poppar ut……

Svar:
Okej det var vad en gurun sade, var är dina ord i detta? Du borde inte
höja upp en annan människa som du. Ingen människa i världen bör tala för dig
för att precis som alla andra ska du också genomgå din egen död ensam. Kan du ta
och vissa mig de dåliga orden i Koranen?

Angående dina tvister om Muhammed
<UL>[3:144] Muhammed var inget annat än en budbärare precis
som budbärarna före honom. Om han skulle dö eller dödas, skulle
ni vända tillbaka? Den som vänder tillbaka skadar inte GUD det minsta.
GUD belönar de som är tacksamma.
</UL>
Du borde vara tacksam att Gud satte Koranen i
Profetens hjärta. Istället spinner du ut med Orelevanta nonsens
Men för din del åter igen, vissa de dåliga orden i Koranen? Kom inte nu
med en annan guru, eller ännu en annan nonsens forum, eller Hadith text!
Kom med då dåliga ord du har hittat DIREKT I KORANEN!!!

Här har du hela Koranen [Länk]


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Abyssinia skrev:
tomas skrev:
Givetvis kan det finnas "fina ord" etc i Koranen - hur skulle
den annars kunnat ges vid spridning? … osv.. Som Bhagwan är inne på,
det räcker med att öppna Koranen så vet man att det är trash. Det är
bara dåliga saker som poppar ut……

Svar:
Okej det var vad en gurun sade, var är dina ord i detta? Du borde inte
höja upp en annan människa som du. Ingen människa i världen bör tala för dig
för att precis som alla andra ska du också genomgå din egen död ensam. Kan du ta
och vissa mig de dåliga orden i Koranen?

Angående dina tvister om Muhammed
<UL>[3:144] Muhammed var inget annat än en budbärare precis
som budbärarna före honom. Om han skulle dö eller dödas, skulle
ni vända tillbaka? Den som vänder tillbaka skadar inte GUD det minsta.
GUD belönar de som är tacksamma.
</UL>
Du borde vara tacksam att Gud satte Koranen i
Profetens hjärta. Istället spinner du ut med Orelevanta nonsens
Men för din del åter igen, vissa de dåliga orden i Koranen? Kom inte nu
med en annan guru, eller ännu en annan nonsens forum, eller Hadith text!
Kom med då dåliga ord du har hittat DIREKT I KORANEN!!!

Här har du hela Koranen [Länk]



"budbärare" - du sover

Religion har inget att göra med yttre attribut, som att ha skägg, eller som jag såg idag i en barnvagn, en liiiten flicka som satt i den mot en varmvägg, täckt med SVART tyg över huvet. Vända rumpan mot himlen, och "be" mot en svart sten i ett väderstreck - återta lite självrespekt!

Muhammad said himself he believed it was a Jinn (evil spirit) that spoke to him, yet the people made him a prophet.

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Islam is a violent arm of Satanism...worshiping a false deity they call God. The Most High says those who are His do as He says, yet Islam makes up its own rules using the name of a God.

Islam is an excuse to murder, plunder, rape and abuse others.

Under Islam law, those who don't agree with their religion are to be killed. The Most High says "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

The Blunders and Contradictions in the Quran reveal it for the lie it is. When a person says, "God told me this" and then makes claims that are false, they are a false prophet. Muhammad says the earth is flat. Muhammad says a lot of things that are blatantly false, he was a false prophet.

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Hur tänker du när du konstant tar ett "brottsredskaps" innehåll till att bekräfta sig själv som något gott, som en "religion"?

Man behöver inte ens öppna eländet, det poppar ut dåliga saker ändå. Man ska inte ha den i sitt hem, utan bränna den på studs. Du kan eller kan inte vidga dina tankar, och förstå vad som kan dölja sig bakom en "bok".


Allah – The Greatest Deceiver of them All
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_best_deceiver.htm


Photo: this poor frightened woman is buried up to her waist in preparation for her stoning to death. All a muslim man has to do is lie and a woman is found guilty and murdered under Islam. In Islam, there is no justice for women. Does that sound like a fair God to you? It isn't God, Allah is nothing but a jinn/demon mansquerading as a god.

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Here is a real example of what the Muslim head "stoner" says to begin the ghastly "festivities:

"We have all gathered here to implement divine punishments. Oh, Almighty, we plead with you to give victory to Islam and Muslims."

Here is what Jesus said:

According to the Gospel of John, the Jewish Priests (Pharisees), in an attempt to discredit Jesus, brought a woman charged with adultery before him. The Pharisees reminded Jesus that adultery was punishable by stoning under Law of Moses and challenged Jesus to judge the woman so that they might then accuse him of disobeying the law. Jesus thought for a moment and then replied, “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.” The people crowded around him were so touched by their own consciences that they departed. When Jesus found himself alone with the woman, he asked her who were her accusers. She replied, “No man, lord.” Jesus then said, “Neither do I condemn thee: go and sin no more.”

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ISLAM: Pagan Origin and Moon God Worship

ALLAH - the Moon God

The name of the Moon Goddess in Arabia was ALLAH

All of Satan's demons are MALE but the Moon God masqueraded as a female divinity or Moon Goddess.

- The gods of Canaan consisted of the sun and moon or Baal and ALLAH
- Crescent moon symbol of the moon goddess
- Statue of Allah with the moon emblem on her chest
- Babylonian moon goddess called SIN or Isthar

Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.

In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. This Hubal was a moon god. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world.

The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".

"al-ilah" was later shortened to "Allah" before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah". When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".

Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.

Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.

- Islam is repackaged polytheism.
- Islam is paganism in monotheistic wrapping paper.
- Islam is veiled neo-polytheism.

Islam: Pagan Origin and Moon God Worship
(http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god.htm )

Muslims worship a god by the name of Allah. Islam is a modern version of the ancient fertility religion of the moon god. Arabs were pagans who worshipped a pagan god called Allah and followed pagan rites which were practised in Arabia long before the religion of Islam evolved.





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tomas skrev:
Religion har inget att göra med yttre attribut, som att ha skägg,

Svar:
Din text är inte ens värd att läsa och jag stannar i första reden av din text.
Vissa var det står i Koranen om att man måste ha skägg? Ta fram din bevis,
Åter igen här är hela Koranen [L]

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Men så blev vardagslivet svårare. Successivt tog al-Qaida över kontrollen i stadsdelen Ghazaliya i nordvästra Bagdad och införde sin fundamentalistiska version av islamiskt levnadssätt.

Människor som inte följde påbuden trakasserades, hotades, torterades och dödades. Små flickor tvingades bära slöja, män tvingades låta skägget växa, män som rökte fick fingrarna avhuggna. Zahra kunde inte längre köra sina barn till skolan eftersom kvinnor inte tilläts sitta vid ratten.

- Mitt och mina barns liv kollapsade. Barnen kunde inte gå till skolan eftersom det inte finns någon skolbuss. Jag tvingades bära kläder i strikt islamisk stil.

Det jag förundras över här... Hur kan man gnälla på ockupationen när islamister vill göra det ett ännu mer helvete än hur det var med Saddam Hussein?

Så som islamisterna tvingar folket, är det så en islamistisk stat skulle vara med sharia lagar, som de på sinbad skriker efter och stödjer al-Qaida?

Hur blir det frihet med tvång???

Hur kan man påpeka det inte är tvång när islamister i Sverige stödjer al-Qaida där man just vill tvinga samhället??

Det blir ju bara en enormt hyckleri från islamister? Varför kan muslimer inte erkänna i debatter att ja man ska tvingas bära skägg, man ska tvingas bära slöja, man ska tvingas bära strikt islam

Hur blir islam inte tvång???"

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En del religioner (till exempel islam, sikhism och judendom) påbjuder sina manliga anhängare att bära skägg. Skägg förknippas också med väsen i folktron, som dvärgar och tomtar. Skägg förekommer i talesätt som "tala ur skägget", "jämnt skägg", "ät ägg, så får du skägg" och "sitta med skägget i brevlådan".

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Åklagaren Asran Mansour som själv har kopplingar till fundamentalistiska grupper, åtalade skådespelaren för att ha förolämpat Islam och dess symboler, såsom att bära skägg och särskild klädsel

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel. ... ramid=478&artikel=4944301

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Är det så konstigt att människor befinner sig i Gudlös tillstånd efter att varje dag
sedan barndomen uppfostrats av dessa så kallade stjärnor som definitivt är satanister?


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Jackson som ormen, kopierat från - A Snake in the Grass
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Originalet från 1974 Bob Fosse - A Snake in the Grass
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Has Mohammed ever existed?
Enquiry on monotheism
Bernard Raquin

Thanks to archaeological discoveries, to the translations from sumerian, egyptian and aramaic, each and everyone can at last discover the origin of the "sacred texts". Far from being the word of " God", the revealed religions recycled archaic old myths. One will see why they have provoked so many slaughters, by drawing their followers in the trap of ignorance and vanity.

This work, very different from the official legends, takes us into one of the most fabulous human creations, the invention of myths and prophets. The author invites you to a fascinating inquiry into the heart of monotheist religions.

You will discover that, as other biblical prophets, Mohammed seems to be one of the most famous historical hoaxes. You will also learn why, in which period and in which language the Coran was written and with which aim.

Indispensable for human beings in quest of spiritual authenticity, and also for every person wishing to understand current events and defend the freedom of expression.

Bernard Raquin, psychotherapist and teacher in many seminars, has published a number of books on spirituality and personal development.

Following the murder of his sister by her son and husband claiming to be from "Islam", he decided to unveil the falsification and to shed light on the spiritual path and historical truth.

"The ones who take in broad daylight any new proposition are first called heretics" (Montesquieu)

Does monotheism lead preferentially to crime? The question was often asked by specialists of religions. The nine first Califs of Islam perished assassinated. Preventing to think never served human dignity, neither the cause of God. Scholars wondered if certain religions are not constitutively violent. But more than monotheism, it is the prophetic neurosis which is so often devil's mouthpiece...p.23

Unfortunately for the beliefs of Christians, the historian Philo of Alexandria, who was Jesus' contemporary and wrote several volumes, do not quote him, and if the Messiah is famous until Syria, should we believe Matthew, and until Egypt or Babylon since the Mages have come from there, while is he not quoted anywhere in the chronicles? For the past 2000 years, billions of Christian have wondered : why are we still obliged to commit evil and suffer it, and indeed live, as if Christ had never come?...

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[The author put a few paragraphs a little more on the right to indicate more personal and psychological reflections]

At the beginning was the lie : lies of prophets who forced visions and voices to serve a political cause. I do not doubt visions, an eternal and dream perception of the world. But a vision giving even instructions about food, laws, hygiene and war is an illusion, because nothing is more fluctuating than the customs and beliefs. Visions are images drawn from the collective unconscious, teachings of wisdom, they are allegorical and not ready-made answers to circumstantial problems.

The three "biblical" religions have in common the destruction of sources, the disregard for others and their pretension to detain the revealed truth. Revealed by whom ? Not by a hoary sage full of wisdom, polished by decades of asceticism and ennobling acts, but by vociferous prophets. If God exists, it may be doubted that He chose personality as controversial as Moses, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, David or Mohammed, such as described by the tradition. The prophetic points to his victim, the sage shows the path.

In what monotheism has served the cause of the unique God, who may well have done without this wicked homage? Even the Gospels contain rages. Some claim that the apostles represented a movement of rebellion... Simon the Zealot, who became later Peter, was, as his name indicates, an activist. His brother Judah (not Judah the traitor) was called Iscariot, i.e. holder of the dagger with a bent edge... Then this group was destroyed and consequently divinized, according to a mechanism which was well analyzed by René Girard. The exceptional person becomes a devil, a hero or a saint.

In which way polytheist were pagans ? Pagans, the Sumerians , inventors of writing, of laws, of the wheel, of most of the myths which forged our civilization? They who have created schools and the very first parliament? Pagans, the Babylonians, inventors of astronomy, of medicine, of treatises on plants and of the fabrication of therapeutical drugs?

Ignorant, the Egyptians, where men and women were equals? It is sufficient to go in any museum to become immediately struck by wonder, and modest.

Idolatrous, the Zoroastrians, without image of God, inciting to go beyond oneself through "good thoughts, good words and good actions"?

Pagans, Krishna's devotees, seeking forgiveness and goodness in the cult of fecundity, intoxicated with the gratitude for the boons from heaven? Infidels, the worshippers of Vishnu, good ascetics who where detached from the appearances of the world, who wanted to realize the Atman, and merge into the deep consciousness of the Whole?

Pagans, the Amerindians and their prestigious civilization? The Aztec ?!

Idolatrous, the Celts and their refined conception of the divine, who have dominated the world during several millennia and which have elaborated myths taken again by Christianity?

Ignorant, the Buddhist, whose spirit glides above the feelings of villainy? Idolatrous, the Jains, who do not kill animal and forbid to themselves any violence ?

How much base feelings this despise, this self-conceit expresses. My Goodness! Free us from these desert prophets, hellish creatures, presumptuous, wicked, ignorant, who come out from the dark age heading hosts of warriors of apocalypse, with foam at the mouth, with erected sticks, the very servants of Satan!

"The prophets, these goats with a long beard, cannot pretend to any intellectual or spiritual superiority... Their duplicity is obvious by their very contradicting each other... As for the Coran, it is only a bundle of nonsensical fables... The treatises of the Ancients such as Plato, Aristotle, Euclides or Hippocrat have rendered greater services to humanity." (Ibn Warraq quoting Abdel Razin Why I am not a Muslim, p.324)

The soul who is seeking ecstasies against the others, end in the cul-de-sac of mad anger. And the mystic who is petrified by awe will more surely meet the "lower astral plane", the universe of those deities which are evoked in the Tibetan Book of the Dead rather than bliss and wonder.

The savior god was hardly a new thing when Jesus (whose name means I save) appeared : Apollo, Adonis, Osiris, Serapis, Tanmuz in Sumer and Syria, Odin in ancient Germany, Dionysos-Bacchus, Orpheus, Mithra and Horus were around....(p.55-56)

When monotheism has inevitably lead to wars against the inevitable heresies, young saplings sprout, a fresh wind from the human spirit, who rediscovers the psychic functions of the old gods. And for that, no need of books or ancient idols: the functioning of the brain is sufficient. Any person is able to rediscover them by listening to his unconscious. Monotheism, opposed to the functioning of the brain, does not exist in any religion. Our brain needs, to transform the thoughts in words, to elaborate representations. This explain, to my eye, why pure monotheism, which was meant only for rare sages, produces so many pathologies among ordinary believers, by pushing them towards schizophrenia.56

Among the other influences on Jesus, the room is lacking to evoke Apollonius of Tyan, and overall Mithra whose cult has been entirely copied by the Christians. [Raquin quotes many details and proofs of this well-known fact]

This Manichaeism appears again in the concept of dar-ul-islam and dar-ul-harb. The land which have been conquered by Islam are "land (House) of submission". The other countries are "lands of the war". Intoxicated herds, which have been rendered mad by heinous preachers, are allowed to plunder, kill, destroy the countries of the "infidels" - who in fact they are themselves. Just as Mohammed was put above God by making him speak, one puts Muslims beyond the others, and the vociferous preacher feels he is superior to the one who is good. Thus, a stupid person feels authorized to abuse a girl if she eats during the Ramadan. Any pretentious fellow, because he prostrates before nothingness, feels that he has the power to judge the scholar. Here lies undoubtedly the biggest tragedy, and the basis of every tyranny: to give to mediocre people the power to judge their neighbors...67

People are summoned not to believe in jinns, but if they believe, they are punished. Here is a constant feature of the Coran: pretending everything and its opposite, installing a series of double binds which prevent reflection, paralyze logic, to force the acceptance of any theological contortion. These permanent contradictions are strong evidence that the Coran is a collective work. Every religion has its own contradictions. But the Coran is false and contradictory on almost everything. And neither the Bible or the Gospels claim to have an unique author. Or one should admit that Gabriel had become doting.

The "double bind" means receiving two opposite orders, which provokes a stupefaction and paralyze intelligence: Allah agrees only to Islam as a religion - but he says "no coercion in religion". Don't force your women into prostitution - but if you do it, Allah will console them. Be stoned to death if you don't believe in Allah - but anyhow everything comes from Allah. Don't be among those who associate Allah with other divinities - but anyhow your destiny is already written on a tablet since your birth. Allah does not like that we divulgate wicked words - unless one is being victim of them. "We have divided the earth into communities: among them there are the right ones - and others which are not" (Co 7, 168 ). There is no other God than God - and still, there are angels, jinns, ogers; now, coming from Allah, they incite to disagree with him.

But other assertions are still worse : "There is refuge against Allah only in Him" (Co 9, 118) or "Who defends you day and night against the Benefactor?" (Co 21, 42) or "I am seeking the protection of the Lord of the Dawn against the evil he has created..." (113)

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This reminds of the child beaten by his or her mother, and who, having only her, goes and seek refuge near her. Neurosis and despair are guaranteed. Take refuge against Allah in Allah ? Defend oneself against the Benefactor? Ask from the creator of evil for protection? p. 68-69

At the beginning Islam had no vocation to universality. Every prophet addressed his own community: "... When we have sent a witness to every community, and we have made you a witness for those people." (4, 41) The religious leaders of primitive Islam which indeed were Samaritan or Ismaelian rabbis, forbade the conversions to the new sect of non-Arabs for two centuries, since one cannot convert to become the descendant of Ismael, just as one could not become the children of Israel. Then, the conversion system became exploited to dominate, when the Caliphs understood the interest to make people's mind submissive to the Arabic domination disguised in Allah, when 600,000 words, hadîs, came out to justify their political agenda, when Mohamed's life was invented. (p.71)


Allah's origin

Allah has got about one hundred "beautiful names". A poem from the 12th century B.C. grants to the Babylonian God Marduk about 50 names, coming from the defeated and assimilated deities. Most of these will qualify Allah.

The word Allah comes from the Sumerian divinity Lilitu, evolving in Lilith (the Mother-Goddess of the Hebrew), and then in Al-ilat (that of the Arabs), but also in El, God, in akkadian. One finds also in Arabic Ala, 'to be terrified'. The name Allah has certainly been the masculine form that the original name Al-ilat has taken.(p.71)


Devil's fall in the Coran

Later, Mohammed will get the authorization from Allah to use deceit, lie and dissimulation (taquyya). "Hide what you have in the heart." A verse (16, 91) asks not to break one's oath, but another (5, 89) allows perjury or incites to commit it (96). The development of this devastating doctrine comes still more from the hadîs....

All this has its origin in the Bible : Michea has the vision that Yahve holds a counsel with the heavenly hosts, allowing the Spirit to become the spirit of lying against the adversaries of Israel. God asks from his angels to help him to seduce the king Achab. "Then, one of them appeared before the Lord to tell Him : 'I am the one who will seduce him. And the Lord told him : 'In which way'? He answered: 'I will go and be a spirit of lie in the mouths of all his prophets. The Lord agreed : 'You will seduce him, since indeed you have this power. Go and do in this wise." (1 Kings 22 19)

Yahve agrees to seduction, which is nonetheless the characteristic of Satan. The CoTran will take again this theme, which is a blaspheme but still natural for the superstitions of that time. The more one invokes, the less one respects...

These intrigues provoke serious spiritual disorders. For sin is Allah's work, while Satan is there only to fix the practical details... Fanatics are basically victims of an individual neurosis, but when they come together to intoxicate themselves and share their hatred, they fall into psychosis, prisoners of themselves, rendering themselves mutually mad. (p.76)


Allah's fall

Never spiritual discussions are to be found in the Coran or Mohammed's life, except boring slogans. Never mystical preoccupations are present, which would enable one to accord himself with a superior moral code. Never renunciation to illusions and passions is hinted at. Never the ultimatum aim of humanity is the object of questioning. Forgiving is granted according to Allah's whims; the absolution of sins does not come from an inner transmutation, but from a mechanical profession of faith, all the more claimed and shown that it is not put into practice by good actions in life. One finds only the crazy frailty of an anxious Allah, because his subjects could start venerating a secondary divinity, whom still He has created. In the text one can only find the proclamation of the tragic despair of a unique God, killing his own creatures after sending Satan to them to have them doubt; obliged to slaughter people to force survivors to prostrate before Himself. One sees in this book only Allah's vertiginous fall into absolute nothingness, at war against its own creation, having for satisfaction only servile people, robots devoid of consciousness and without freedom. One reads only devilish pleasures, threats and revenges.

The rights of the human creatures are threaded upon, betrayal is sanctified; deceit is recommended; cruelty, baseness, possessiveness, cupidity are encouraged; lie and dissimulation are favored.

Psalmody is there in lieu of piety. Recitations take the place of reflection, litanies that of elevation. And all that is chanted until entrancement, to forget, if only for one hour, the tragic condemnation for the sin, not Adam's one, but still worse, for the sin of living, because the very life of a human being is unbearable to Allah, indeed jealous not to exist himself.

A human being will not be allowed the temptation to show love, on the contrary, he will have to reject his own family : "Don't take for friends your fathers or your brothers, if they prefer incredulity to faith." (9, 23) "It is not befitting to the prophet or the believers to implore God's forgiving for polytheists, be they their near and dear, while they know that these people will be inmates of the Furnace." (9, 113) "You will not find people believing in God and in the Last Day, and showing love to those who oppose God and his prophet, be they their fathers, their sons, their brothers, or members of their clan." (83, 22). And woe to music, dance and joy! Woe to love and long life to death! That is the war cry of those sects which court death.

Those verses are only a remake of the Deuteronomy : "If your brother, nephew, niece, your wife who rests on your chest, or the friend who is as yourself, incite you to serve other gods and not me, you must kill him; let your hand be the first to put him to death. Lapidate him, let him die... If iniquitous people serve other gods than Me, you will exterminate their town and you will slaughter all its inhabitants by your sword." (Dt, 13)

Forced into a destiny "attached to its neck" whose aim he ignores, the human being is now under surveillance to accomplish rituals which are empty of meaning, to cry out of rage and bitterness before this scorn of divine creation and this ontological incomprehension of the world. Let it be submissive, this bunch of scoundrels ever ready to rebel against Allah so that He " may send a messenger to warn them" and feel the pleasure to destroy them: "There is no city that we will not destroy and torment with the strongest torture before the Day of Resurrection. That was fixed in the Scriptures." (Co 17, 58)

The human being believed to be free: he is only an alien on this earth, a prostrated slave. But in his curse, he will have also to be wary of his best friend, who may be inhabited by a djinn; or of his son who will judge him not believer enough and who will send him to hell. He will have to see his mother and sister humiliated and struck, this sister which is soft, beautiful, loving, consoling, the only one which in fact deserves Allah's beautiful names. How difficult it is, the coranic demand which teaches to despise woman; to transform the mother, deity of our childhood, into an inferior creature, just waiting to people the hell...

And to crown all that, the very foundation of spirituality - compassion - is absent from Coran. Mercy, love, the thrust of the heart towards the one who suffers, the care towards the soul who is searching, are substituted by sinister vociferations. Ceaselessly, Allah is called merciful; but he never demonstrates mercy. In the description of ignorant redactors, he has become a conceited and cruel being. The most he can do is to accept servility as a proof of submissiveness; and his forgiving is only for doubts about his existence, since acts are secondary. At last, intoxicated with Himself, Allah falls in the supreme sin of pride, without any feeling for His own tragic destiny of a burning king. Thus blinded by his own glory, Allah takes the place of Lucifer. He went beyond is likes, such as Odon, Kali, Shiva, Nergal, Yahve, Satan, and ends up alone in the world.

Under the pretense of absolute submission, the Coran represents eventually God's murder, by rejecting Him outside humanity. So, these legend-makers who wrote it have been the root cause of innumerable crimes against the true Allah. That is why the Coran is received by the technique of overfeeding and stuffing memory; faith is not necessary because faith is a choice, whereas there, only submission is expected. We can notice that the end of the theological debate in Islam, in the 14th century, triggered a long lasting regression of this culture which had been able, by translating Greek and Persian authors, to reach the summits of civilization.


Reconquering Jerusalem!

[In 614, the last Persian emperor of the dynasty of Sassanides, Chosroes II, takes Jerusalem from the ruler of Byzance. He hands its administration onto the Jew, but they are so violent towards Christians that he has to remove it from their hands. In 630, the capital is taken again by Heraklios, the ruler of Byzance, to be lost a second time in 638. Meanwhile, the Jews had enrolled more and more Arabic tribes of mercenary and taken them on their side by having them believe the myth that they were descendant of Ishmael and thus that it was then their duty to reconquer Jerusalem, which had become in their new understanding their own holy land. Before, the Arabic tribes had nothing to do with this city. There were two groups, Ishmaelians and Agarenes, the latter were supposed to descend from Ishmael's mother and Abraham second wife, Agar. According to the historians specialists of this period, there has been a confusion of words, between hegirian, that is the migrants, and agarenes, Agar's descendants.

These "migration" which was in fact of Arabic tribes into Syria and the West of Persia was interpreted much later as the one from Mecca to Medina, two towns which just did not exist in the 7h or 8th century according to historians. The group of Agarenes gave birth to the Shiites, while the Ishmaelians gave birth to the Sunnis Muslims : Ismaelian and Mussalman have indeed the same etymology.] They had been distinct right from the beginning, so the story of the early schism between the two is again another myth.


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Från biblisk perspektiv
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